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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg fysiospiren » Søn Feb 07, 2010 4:46 pm

aplikator skrev:Fysiospiren, hva syns du om at han "pisser på" utdannelsen i England og Danmark, og at dere uttaler dere? Dere blir jo ikke engang "Doktorer" der ;)


Vel, hvor skal man begynne? Som fysioterapeut, kiropraktorstuderende og kanskje mest av alt som menneske(!) har jeg vanskelig å forholde meg til et slikt innlegg. At det i det hele tatt finnes slike fagutøvere der ute er til å grine av. Jeg var klar over at det fantes slike tilstander i USA, men at dette nå er blitt presset inn i Norge er moralsk forkastelig.

At han tråkker på skolen i DK gjør meg fint lite. Skolen i DK er den eneste kiropraktorskolen i verden hvor man ikke betaler skolepenger, og skolen faktisk er en integrert del av skolesystemet. Dette stiller en del høyere krav til kvalitetssikring av utdanningen enn hva private skoler i USA gjør, så dette punktet er ikke en gang verdt å kommentere.

Og med det, ønskes en videre god helg :)
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Redbull » Søn Feb 07, 2010 5:41 pm

LooooooooooooooL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg rolf-inge » Søn Feb 07, 2010 6:18 pm

Hei!
Ser at "doctoren" er medlem av ICA.Lurer på om han får like gode medlemsfordeler der som jeg gjør i mitt medlemskap i COOP :D

RIN ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Knut A » Søn Feb 07, 2010 10:48 pm

Kiropraktor Michael B. Dibley

Re : Your comments and threats on Norsk Muskel og Skjelett Forum on Saturday Feb. 6th

I find it very unfortunate that You, in spite of working in Norway, do not master the Norwegian language to such an extent that You are able to formulate Yourselves in the language You need to use in order to communicate and treat people in a safe and competent manner.
Indeed, out of courtesy to You, and because You have written Your views in English, I will reply in English.
In my opinion Your message is totally out of order and Your threats are despicable. I will urge You to refrain from further communications on this, and other websites, along these lines.
Your tone and the implications were the insignia of governments and states that has disappeared, but for a few remnants.
This is not how we debate in the country where You now has decided to reside.
In regards to the implications that I read into your statement, I am, more than ever, filled with old time spizzerinctum (ie chiropractic enthusiasm) that we need a five year Masters program in chiropractic in a university setting in Norway. And I will work vehemently that it should follow the European standards of life long learning, critical evaluation, evidenced based and scientifically sound principles.
And I may add that during my chiropractic education, up until my graduation in 1981, at Palmer College, Davenport Iowa, these principles, in my opinion, did not have the necessary emphasis.
I am profoundly proud of having been a member of a working party within the ECCE (European Council on Chiropractic Education) that formulated the standards for chiropractic education in Europe within university based settings.
I am profoundly proud of having been a member of the first group, in 1986, to formulate the plans that eventually became the 5 year chiropractic Masters level program at University of Southern Denmark, Odense. Chiropractic graduates are awarded a validated academic degree valid in a pan-European setting, quite unlike Yours and mine so called “doctorate” degrees. I grant You that You might not have insights in the pan-European university systems and cannot fully appreciate the significance of this.
I am profoundly proud of working in the Norwegian society to improve the quality of chiropractic through research and critical appraisal of our own profession.

Knut Andersen
kiropraktor
Tverrfaglig Ryggseksjon, Nevrokirurgisk avd. Stavanger Universitetssykehus
Konsulent, Universitetet i Stavanger, for en 5 årig kiropraktorutdanning
Årets Kiropraktor 2008
President ECCE 2003-2005
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Innate1895 » Man Feb 08, 2010 12:35 am

Dear Friends.

When I first received word from some of my colleagues from Norway as well as the USA about what was being said on this forum I was take aback.

I decided to sign in and see what was being said. I started to read and shake me head at the massive mis-understanding that was taking place. I decided to comment.
My point at that time was simple. I come from America and from a long line of Doctors of Chiropractic that graduated from The Palmer College of Chiropractic also known as The Fountainhead. My family has a large Clinic one hour from Chicago, Dibley Chiropractic Center.

Things are a bit different in the United States of America than here in Norway, in regards to the way the Chiropractic Profession is governed. I referred so much to the word "Doctor" in my first post because in America all Chiropractor's are issued a Doctorate of Chiropractic or D.C.s I went to school for a total of 8 years and attained both a Bachelors in Science and both a Doctorate in Chiropractic. Upon arrival to Norway 4 short months ago I realized I had entered a different World of Chiropractic. A world in which some Chiropractors were Doctors, some had Masters Degrees and some graduated from schools that were un-accredited. "Very Strange" I thought. In America it tightly governed and everyone is held to the same rigorous Standard. Here in Norway, not so much.

I mentioned my Families Practice previously because I think it serves as a model example of a World Class Chiropractic Clinic. As a Clinic we work with other Chiropractors in regards to what is best for our Patients, we refer back and forth with all the Medical Doctors in the Community, we refer back and forth with the Neurosurgeons, we refer back and forth with the Osteopaths, we refer back and forth with the Physical Therapists, we refer back and forth with the Massage Therapists, in other words we are a Community of Health Care Professionals that act in the best interest of the Patient. After-all we all took the Hippocratic Oath "First do no harm".

My point in the original Post was this.

As I see it. The Chiropractic Profession in Norway cannot be recognized or taken seriously if we are not all held to the same rigorous standard i.e. Holding Doctorates. I am sure we can all agree that when and if the time ever comes for us to call upon the services of a Health Care Professional wether it be a Chiropractor, Surgeon or Physical Therapist etc. we prefer those that hold degrees rather than a "weekend certificates".

It seems to me that this Forum is more interested in attacking rather than understanding. For that reason, this will by my second and final Post. If you are interested enough in the Topics at hand and sincerely wish to discuss them further I look forward to connecting with you via Email, Phone, or Personal Meeting. I will leave all contact information at the end of this Post.

My hope is this......

That all the Health Care Professionals in Norway will some day soon realize that we all provide benefit to our Patients. The way for our Patients to receive the highest quality care available is to work together not against each other. I wish you all abundance in all that you do.

Dr. Michael B. Dibley D.C.
theinstituteforhumanpotential@gmail.com
+47 45 21 45 75

P.S. To make such derogatory comments in regards to Myself or My Clinics is very disrespectful all by itself but even more so since I had two GrandFathers that fought against the Germans in World War II on Norways behalf. I love the Country of Norway, I sincerely hope that it lives up to the high esteem I hold it in.
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Kriskul » Man Feb 08, 2010 1:20 am

Innate1895 skrev:
Things are a bit different in the United States of America than here in Norway, in regards to the way the Chiropractic Profession is governed. I referred so much to the word "Doctor" in my first post because in America all Chiropractor's are issued a Doctorate of Chiropractic or D.C.s I went to school for a total of 8 years and attained both a Bachelors in Science and both a Doctorate in Chiropractic.

As I see it. The Chiropractic Profession in Norway cannot be recognized or taken seriously if we are not all held to the same rigorous standard i.e. Holding Doctorates. I am sure we can all agree that when and if the time ever comes for us to call upon the services of a Health Care Professional wether it be a Chiropractor, Surgeon or Physical Therapist etc. we prefer those that hold degrees rather than a "weekend certificates".



According to information on Palmers website: "The Palmer curriculum is a graduate-level program that is typically completed in a little more than three calendar years and leads to a Doctor of Chiropractic degree". Why would a 3 yr palmer curriculum be superior to a 5 yr Masters program?

Innate1895 skrev: It seems to me that this Forum is more interested in attacking rather than understanding.


interesting perspective, especially considering it comes from the same person who threathened everybody with lawsuits...in his first post.
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Vegardo » Man Feb 08, 2010 8:29 am

Er det noen som vet om slike "sekteriske" kiropraktorer automatisk blir primærkontankter i Norge? Isåfall er jeg litt skuffet over at en marginal del av mine skattekroner går til hans refusjon.... ;)
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Redbull » Man Feb 08, 2010 10:59 am

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
- Robert Pirsig (1948-)
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Re: Klinikk lovet å kurere autisme, ADHD etc...

Innlegg Anders » Man Feb 08, 2010 2:22 pm

Dear Michael,

Believe me, we all have our patients best interest at heart. That includes excluding pseudoscientific constructs like "innate intelligence", "nerve interference" and "subluxations". It also includes not making claims that the treatment we provide can improve a condition like ADHD, without there being a solid scientific rationale for it's effect. Do you claim that the treatment you provide can improve ADHD?

I interpret your speech about how we should all work together for the best of our patients, and how your grandfathers fought for Norway during World War II as an attempt to disarm our critique, and shift the focus away from the issues at hand. "Let's all be nice" just won't cut it.

I can understand your reluctance to engage in a discussion like this on the internet, it is not for everyone. But I hope you take away something from this brief encounter.

Regards,
Anders
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